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General Discussions :: Cartridge Collecting

Author: Slaapstad
Subject: Cartridge Collecting
Posted: 2011-Dec-07 10:27 am (GMT 2)
Topic Replies: 0

I read the post by Kobus with interest - as perhaps many of us who collect cartridges fall into a similar category. We started accumulating cartridges as young boys and no-one thought too much of it. Collections grew larger as we grew older and the interest grew.
And we displayed them on the mantle piece, a bookshelf or wherever.
And then this became a "bad" thing - decreed so by a bunch of people imho totally ill-equipped to make decisions of this nature.
And so the new firearms act was thrust upon us - decreed by the same group of ill-equipped individuals.
Many years ago I had legalised my collection on the old SAP permit for a "Curiosity, Trophy or Ornament". No problem. A list of calibers gleaned from Cartridges of the World accompanied the permit and I'm legal for virtually any cartridge.
I submitted an application for Cartridge Collection prior to the deadline for the "new" licence applications in 2009, which I have to say confused the hell out of my local DFO. He'd never seen or heard of the form! (SAPS 520(c))But I persisted and submitted the form. As at yesterday the DFO had received no feedback - although all my licences applied for at the same time under a Collectors categorisation have been received without issue.
But here's the rub. At a recent Cape SAAACA meeting the topic was raised and the advice was to raise an application in the same manner as for firearms, i.e. define FOI's etc but pertinent to cartridges!
I collect cartridges. full stop. They're all different. That's why I collect them. All of them. In my view it's not possible to break a general collection like this into different FoI's - it just doesn't make sense.
Let's see what transpires.......

General Discussions :: RE: Introduction

Author: info@sfa.co.za
Posted: 2011-May-22 8:47 pm (GMT 2)
Topic Replies: 4

mike bierman wrote:

hi guys im glad im now online with u guys after many years of trying and not having internet im a small time arms and ammunition collecter well trying to be i have old martini henry rounds which look like rolled cigarettes alot of my ammunition's been deactivated but many have not been deativated my 1st rifle is/was a bsa mark1 no1 1903 303 (if im correct) im very interested in finding out more history on my rifle and SA para military history so all help needed HELP

Hi Mike.

You are more than welcome to attend any of our monthly meetings at the CTH Officers Mess inside the Castle in Cape Town att 19H00 every last Thursday of thhe month, coming Thursday tthe 26th of May being thenext. You will get many Martini Henry buffs there!
Stephan Fourie
Chairman
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General Discussions :: RE: Introduction

Author: mike bierman
Posted: 2011-Apr-04 3:55 pm (GMT 2)
Topic Replies: 4

hi guys im glad im now online with u guys after many years of trying and not having internet im a small time arms and ammunition collecter well trying to be i have old martini henry rounds which look like rolled cigarettes alot of my ammunition's been deactivated but many have not been deativated my 1st rifle is/was a bsa mark1 no1 1903 303 (if im correct) im very interested in finding out more history on my rifle and SA para military history so all help needed HELP

General Discussions :: Rudds Auction : 24 November

Author: admin
Subject: Rudds Auction : 24 November
Posted: 2009-Nov-23 3:38 pm (GMT 2)
Topic Replies: 0

Weekend Argus
14/15 November 2009

Large number of treasures on offer

Grand selection of antiques, fine arts, militaria, ceramics and collectables

Rudd’s last catalogue sale for 2009 of antiques, fine and decorative arts will take place on Tuesday, November 24 at 4pm at 87 Bree Street, Cape Town.

The sale will comprise 18th-, 19th- and early 20th-century European furniture; 18th-, 19th- and early 20th-century European paintings; 20th-century South African paintings; arms and armour; military medals and insignia; rare coins; African tribal art and weapons; European and Oriental ceramics and collectables.

Furniture examples include a fine George III secretaire linen press, William IV breakfast table, William IV serving table, Victorian Wellington chest, Victorian secretaire linen press, Victorian writing table, Victorian extending dining table, numerous 19th-century chests of drawers, a pair of Victorian walnut standard lamps, bookcases, Victorian wardrobes, and 19th-century French walnut tables and salon chairs. There are 75 lots in this section.

Among South African artists represented are Charles Gassner, George Pilkington, Kenneth Bakker, George Boyes, Phillip Tereblanche, Christo Coetzee, Hannetjie de Clercq, Frans Claerhout, Melvin Brigg, Ben Macala, Pieter van der Westhuizen, Francina Ndimande, Michael Waters, Richard Scott and a clay sculpture by Novia Mabasa. There are 43 lots in this section.

Some European artists represented are Henri Hayden (1883-1970), John Ritchie (1858-1875), Harry Bryant (1812-1890), American, John Clevelley (1747-1786), John Russell (1745-1806), John Downie (1871-1945), J C Wintour (1825-1882), Edward Williams (1807-1821) and Thomas Hardy (1842-1897).There are 54 lots in this section.

Ceramics include Sung, Royal Doulton, Clarice Cliff, Royal Worcester and a collection of 17 Beswick animals. There are 50 lots in this section.

German and British World War I and World War II medals include iron crosses, campaign medals and Scottish regimental badges. A rare silver plaid brooch by Robert Naughton junior, Edinburgh 1871, was given as a gift from Cawdor to Walter Gordan Lennox.

There are 16 lots of coins including Roman, Scottish, Charles and Charles II, James II, George III, Spanish reales, Frans Joseph gold ducats, Victorian gold sovereigns and others.

Arms and armour include 19th-century British muskets, Sind and Persian muskets, Boxlock pistols, flintlock pistols, 18th-century cannon balls, British , French, Belgian, German and American bayonets, French and British infantry swords. There are 23 lots in this section.

Collectables include a fine bronze entitled La Defense du Sol by Emile Laporte (1841-1919), a Lalique glass Bacchantes vase (post-1945), a black forest bear smoker’s companion and an ivory box with engraved interior of an erotic scene.

A fully illustrated and detailed catalogue will be available at www.rudds.co.za from November 16.
For more information, call Charles Rudd on 021 426 0384.

General Discussions :: RE: Introduction

Author: Kobus
Posted: 2009-Nov-13 8:15 pm (GMT 2)
Topic Replies: 4

Hallo Wouter

I think getting the permit is not the issue itself, its the waiting period. I mean 3 years is just too long.

I understand in some way why a permit is needed, If everybody starts "collecting" ammo without a permit, then criminals will have easy access to obtaining ammo for there unlicenced firearms. Also some people are really stupid when it comes to live ammunition(throw in the fire, Saw it open to get the powder out etc)

Ive just heard today that the Government is planning to ban the sale/carry/use of hollowpointed ammo. I dont know if this is true, but by the way the prices have soared for these items it sounds realistic. And they are nearly impossible to get hold of.

In my introductory letter I wrote about a .44 Win Case, sorry this was incorrect. It was a .457/8 Winchester case.

Up to now what I have heard about applying for a permit makes it too difficult to apply now.

Can someone please explain how the app works

General Discussions :: RE: Introduction

Author: wrm
Posted: 2009-Nov-13 8:51 am (GMT 2)
Topic Replies: 4

Hi Kobus

I've been chatting to Stephan in connection with getting a cartridge collectors' permit. Still havn't figured out quite what is required.

I have however heard that CFR themselves are taking in excess of three years to issue the permits -- or rather, that people have been waiting for that long without being issued with a permit.

I don't know why it's an offence to have a cartridge you don't have a gun for -- after all, all you can do is look at it. But that's the way it is.

Let us know what you find out.

Wouter
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General Discussions :: Introduction

Author: Kobus
Subject: Introduction
Posted: 2009-Oct-05 11:56 pm (GMT 2)
Topic Replies: 4

Hallo Im Kobus. I have been a " Cartridge collector" from the age of 6or7. Im also fanatical about old and new firearms.

The cartridge thing started when my brother gave me a small Plastic lunchbox with ammo at the above mentioned age. I polished these every week. Later I used them for my Orals(Presentations) at school to good benifit. Strangely I was never reported to the principal or the police.

Years later I applied for my first firearm licence(2000 or 2001). The policeman walked into my room to inspect my safe and he noted my collection on a special shelf against the wall. He especially liked the .44 Winchester case and we had a long discussion on firearms, ammo etc.
Again I was never in trouble.

My collection has grown substantiably and I think its time to speak to the know how about obtaining a permit or licence for what I have.

Also it would be great to meet likeminded people.

Kind Regards

Kobus

General Discussions :: RSA Aksie

Author: henk
Subject: RSA Aksie
Posted: 2009-Mar-31 2:24 pm (GMT 2)
Topic Replies: 0

Goeie dag aan al die mede belangstellendes.

Ek is nuut op die forum, en hoop om interresante inligting by mede belangstellendes te kry.

Is daar dalk iemand wat weet wat die ontwikkeling van die RSA aksie te weeg gebring het.
En is al die aksies deur Lyttelton Engineering gebou of nie?

General Discussions :: Introduction and Welcome

Author: admin
Subject: Introduction and Welcome
Posted: 2009-Mar-01 8:51 am (GMT 2)
Topic Replies: 0

Welcome to the Cape SAAACA forum.

This is the General discussion area. Feel free to post introductions and general questions.

I'd like to know which specific discussion areas you would like. For example, firearm specific (Martini-Henry? Ruger?) or historic (Boer War?). Let me know (here or via private message).

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